It can be found here, about 14 minutes in:
It was on BBC Radio 4’s Broadcasting House last Sunday (6th January). Sorry I didn’t post a heads up beforehand!
The discussion was very brief. The gist of his argument was that benefits trap people and keep them in stasis. The gist of mine is that that isn’t true- for example, with Jobseeker’s Allowance alone, only 1 in 4 people are even on it a year later, let alone five. I am also, “one of those” for whom benefits have been invaluable in helping me get my life together.
Anyway, have a listen and tell me what you think. Sorry for the radio silence here, I’m still in the mud at the moment; will post more soon.