I think I expected too much from medication.
I didn’t want to rely on drugs to fix me, being that I believed (and still do, especially in the case of antidepressants and childhood behavioural problems that are too easily diagnosed as “mental illness”) that medication was overprescribed and nowt but a crutch for a weary mind to rest upon. But I figured, if I’m not that ill, medication won’t hurt me. It’ll only be for a month or two.
I was prescribed Lithium and had read a lot about people who took it and just snapped back into life. That will be me, I thought greedily. So I took the pills. Lithium was a disaster.
Well, disaster is putting it strongly. Putting it mildly, Lithium was not my drug. I felt like I was being punished for something. First of all, I wasn’t allowed my own stash for about six weeks. The Crisis Team administered the doses and I was reassured, this awful sickness would pass. I took Zopiclone too but would still wake up in the night shaking and sick. I could tell you every detail of the carpet in the bedroom because I had spent so much time with my head over the edge retching. And the toilet bowl and I became acquainted. I was sick, all the time, dazed, dandering through smoke and sepia and shaking constantly. I slurred my words, I often couldn’t remember my name. It wrecked my sex drive (a casualty of all my medications that I don’t discuss here for The Obvious Reasons) and grey, godless I was a shivering slump.
To top it off, it didn’t help me. Even with Lithium and copious amounts of zonked out Zopiclone sleep, I lapsed into a manic episode and found myself unemployed.
I’m beginning to think that I have given up on medications too soon because of how terrible I found Lithium. Things here is Not Good. I’m not crawling into pits or spinning from heights but my moods are flip-flopping all over the place, taking my motivation, my emotions, my mind with them. Huge mood swings are awful, but the constant cycling is also taking its toll on me.
It’s been over two years, a lot of drugs and a lot of not being well.
Before I was formally diagnosed I was given Carbamazepine and Olanzapine to “calm me down”. Shorthand for, “manic” but we’re not telling her. I took Carbamazepine during one of the most sustained manic and psychotic episodes of my life. I felt totally pissed. I gained a shitload of weight on Olanzapine and couldn’t function.
I gave up on Depakote because my hair was falling out, I was constantly knackered, I gained a lot of weight and it really wasn’t helping me. I also felt nauseous on that, too. It doesn’t help that the dose I was on (1000mg) was like swallowing two large lilos a day. Those pills are huge.
I took Lamictal- on one dose, 150mg, I was a zombie, absolutely dead. On another, 100mg, nothing worked. I stayed on Lamictal for ages, but then took my overdose and now get Vietnam flashbacks when I even think of Lamictal. I also kept getting rashes (I’m not sure they were related, when I become stressed, I get rashes) and withdrawing from it was hellish.
Then there were the antidepressants, each one a complete failure, if you define failure as kicking me into the most raging of dysphorias. They are, in general, now off the menu for me.
I continued to take Seroquel, I still do. That should have been the first medication I was chucked into the Thames as it was largely the main culprit in my ballooning bottom, bosom and belly. But it was the sleep. Oh god the sleep. I slept like the dead. Sixteen hours a day at least. After ten years of never-sleeping, this was so enticing. Now I hate that. I hate how much I sleep. I hate that if I don’t go to bed immediately after taking my Seroquel, paralysis kicks in and I start to feel paranoid and unsafe. It does help mania and anxiety but mostly because I sleep so much that it’s nigh on impossible for me to be seriously manic unless I stop taking it. But when I lower the dose to sleep less I go weird; when I higher the dose (to the prescribed dose) to be less weird I sleep too much and become depressed. To be honest my initial lowering of the dose was because I’m on weeklies and I felt too shit to pick up my prescription, so I eked it out.
Those are just the ones I remember; at various times I’ve also been on Risperidone and valium for short bursts.
You may think, “Come off the drugs entirely”. But you hadn’t seen me before.
I started off as a la-de-da typical, textbook manic depressive. Years split down the middle with mania and depression, all mingled with psychosis. Then came the rapid cycling and the mixed episodes and my episodes were severe. Really bad. This, while not good, is better. I have still stopped self harming and mostly stopped throwing up. I do cope far better than I used to. I’m still mad, but not insane. I do think, and others agree, that I need the medication. For now, at least. It’s doing half it’s job.
This year, I want to become at least stable enough to do something, anything, consistently. I don’t see myself going back to work any time soon (not unless people are employing Shaky Twitchy Talkative Depressive Moody Midgets) but I want to do something. Right now, and for the past, oh, I don’t know, forever, I can’t sustain anything because my moods are so unstable that I get up the energy, which turns into raging agitation and paranoia then falls back into early-bed depression and complete silence. I try, but it’s very hard. And once again it’s beginning to fuck up my relationships. It’s joyous. It’s crazy white knuckle rollicking fun. At the moment I am somewhere between depression and hypomania, of garbled thought that descends into paralysis then ascends again into nonsense and of wanting to run off somewhere but getting the energy for the shops is difficult.
It’s not conducive with, well, much. I just want, say, a month of doing something consistently. At least last year I was consistently suicidal. It was an achievement. Every day I woke up thinking, “Hell, I want to kill myself today. I wanted to kill myself two months ago. Is this what stability is like?”
I know I write, and that’s something. I want to write more. Fiction, articles. I want to discipline myself and produce something beautiful and surprising. Tons of people are writers. To make a career out of it, you have to be talented, well connected and educated. I’m, er. Hm. And I want to learn something. Last year was such a dry, dead year. I’m taking the time to get better, but I want to be even better at being better. I want a future.
Do you think I have written things off too easily because of the side effects? I think I might have been too hasty and maybe there’s something out there that will kill this enough for me to live my life somewhat. It’s all I want, and by now, all I expect is a lessening of symptoms. No cure, no blank slate, just a little less. This is a little less but I have the feeling it is growing into something a little more. I’d like to push it in the opposite direction. Shrivel into insignificance. I’m not afraid of being “well”. I don’t worry about losing my identity- well, I do a little bit, since this is what I’m used to. But I realised that I’m a moody bint anyway.
When I look back, though, there’s not much that seems worth trying again. I’m not being impatient. If I wanted instant gratification I would have said goodbye to medication and hello to alcohol about two years ago. I did the opposite.
Seroquel has been my main man for some time now, I’m very well aware of how it affects me. I don’t want to be “fixed”. I just want to be well enough for my life to not be consumed by manic depression, as it undoubtedly is right now. Medication is just stabilisers but at least when there were still options I felt like if I fell, something could be done. Right now, there is the worrying absence of a safety net.
I’m not clamouring, “MORE MEDICATION! I LOVE IT! GIVE IT TO ME! I WANT TO BE DEPENDENT ON OTHER DRUGS TOO!”, just reflecting on, “Christ, I’ve taken a lot. I thought I’d be smiling on the back of a book somewhere by now”.
I really don’t know where I’m going in terms of treatment. I’m continuing my appointments an’ all but I feel stuck. It seems that if you’re not trying to top yourself or trying to top someone else that it means you’re magically alright. It’s more insideous than that. I can have all the insight and entertaining asides in the world but this is still this.
But! I dragged myself to the glamourous surroundings of the council gym earlier. It was in the morning. I don’t do mornings thanks to Seroquel. I don’t really do afternoons thanks to Seroquel. I’m very pale. Rob pulled me out of bed and I very dopily wandered to the station with him, adrift on my own little personal cloud. Then I drank two cups of coffee and tiptoed on the crosstrainer for ten minutes before getting a stitch. I used to be able to pound it. It used to quiver beneath my £3 trainers and beg me for mercy. I’ve become so unfit. As soon as I was done I lit up a cigarette. I did walk to and from the gym so I got my thirty minutes of exercise a day, anyway. And I’m sure this killing cold (I don’t have central heating and rely on a rather rubbish fan heater) is good for me. Bracing, as some would say. Though it’s not a good sign when you have Thelma and Louise hair indoors.
Anyway, I like this, because it reminds me of those “well being” videos that depicted people like us as plebs who watch too much Jeremy Kyle when we should be shiny haired and hosting dinner parties with Nescafé and fucking salmon en croute or en route or whatever the name for fish in pastry is. And I watch TV online now so I don’t have to sit through the adverts.
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“It seems that if you’re not trying to top yourself or trying to top someone else that it means you’re magically alright.”
I get that. The psychiatrist asks if I feel like killing myself today, I say no and so therefore don’t qualify for help!
It is hard to know what to say to this really. I’d never want to try and give an opinion on medication because of my stinkingly non med compliant attitude, and the fact everyone is so different. The former could be argued by the consistantly poor attitude of the doctors I have come in contact with, but hey this is about your miserable medication history!
You aren’t doing a bad thing by thinking about revisiting old options though. I am wondering if the body is still changing, like the liver regenerating etc, and whether the side effects would be so bad this time as other occasions? I know the second time round for some drugs ie the weight loss from topamirate (is that what it’s called) is not always in evidence the 2nd time round, and some they say never work again if you stop cold turkey so maybe the body can change in it’s reactions.
I understand your frustration to get on with your life, you are still young, and to have felt like you have run out of options so soon must be infuriating. Chuck in the wonders of aggitated depression and I’m not surprised it’s doing your head in. Especially for someone who is clearly very driven and has got considerably more to offer than they are being able to use.
Have you got a consultants appointment at any point where you can run the ideas past him. At least then you’d be able to decide if it was worth the risk or not.
Lola x
You seem to be asking for some help here. I hope I’m not misinterpreting that. I am on, and have been on, some other medications that you’ve not listed. I thought that I could at least name them for you, and you can look into them more yourself.
Abilify (aripiprazole) – an antipsychotic. I find that it works well for me, and it seems to work on my anxiety as well. Since starting this med, I’ve been able to stop the antianxiety Klonopin (clonazepam). It also can be an activating medication, so I take in the morning instead of at night.
Trileptal (oxcarbazepine) – an antiepileptic mood stabilizer. Again, this is something that I currently take. It works well for me, and I have not encountered the horrid weight gain with this med. I’m having trouble losing the weight I gained earlier, though.
Depakote (divalproex sodium) – an antiepileptic mood stabilizer. This is a med that I took in the past, and worked well to help stabilize the swings. However, I did gain a very substantial amount of weight on it (no dieting whatsoever, I was famished all the time). Not everyone has that reaction, though.
These are just the medications that I’m personally familiar with that you didn’t mention having tried. I hope this helps you, and that you don’t think I’m tried to force more meds on you. You’ve had a rough time of the medication merry-go-round. You deserve a break, and some better times.
I think my previous post got lost. If this is a repeat, I’m sorry.
It seems like you are asking for help here. I hope I’m not misunderstanding the situation. I would like to give the names of a few medications you’ve not mentioned in your post as having been tried.
Abilify (aripiprazole) – an antipsychotic. I find it helpful for me, and it seems to have an anti-anxiety factor to it as well. I’ve been able to stop my anti-anxiety med Klonapin (clonazepam) since taking Abilify.
Trileptal (oxcarbazepine) – an antiepileptic mood stabilizer. This is another one that works for me. It helps to stabilize the swings, and hasn’t caused the massive weight gain that some of these meds are capable of. I have had some difficulty losing weight gained previously, though.
Depakote (divalproex sodium) – another antiepileptic mood stabilizer. This med worked well for me too; however I did gain a very substantial amount of weight while on it. This is the weight I am trying to lose now. As I understand it, the weight gain is not a side effect for everyone.
I wish that my earlier comment hadn’t disappeared. I think it was written better, but this was the gist of it. Hopefully you won’t think that I’m pushing pills at you. It just sort of seemed that you were looking for other answers. You’ve had a heck of a time on the medication merry-go-round, you deserve a break.
Good luck.
Hi Seanean
I think you might actually have over-estimated how effective medications are. And this is said in total earnest, no mickey take.
I don’t under-estimate anyone’s illness…least of all my own…but years and years and years of experience with multitudes of meds did little of any good to me. Although even for the short time I was on most of them (some of them lasted 6 or 12 months) the pharma’s did alright and they are doing even better out of the billions of other people taking them daily (and over many years).
If, between you and the psychiatrist you can get one that gets nearer to hitting some of the spots.(and without the ever growing list of foul side effects).then I hope it is there for the finding.
I don’t believe when it comes to shrinky meds, there is a goose that lays a golden egg but something that you can digest and doesn’t make you chuck the rest of your insides up afterwards would be a breakthrough.
Hair loss is one thing I have never worried about as I have always had a thing for wigs…but then again I have never lost my hair so my view is hypthetical. The reaction on dealing with such a reality is likely to be in hysteria. :>)
I am pretty much the opposite at the moment, all I can think of is how it would be off these bloody wonder drugs they keep telling me I have to take. Mind you I may get my wish soon as I have been referred to a Medication Management team to see if they can’t get my psychosis under control, which it isn’t at the moment and i am on at least two anti psychotics that I can think of.
I’d go with what Lola suggested speak to a consultant and see if they would recommend going back onto medications.
I wish you the best of luck in finding a cocktail that works for you.
If writing is really what you want to do, Seaneen, then I encourage you to at least try to make some progress in that direction. Believe me dear, if I can make an adequate, regular and psychically rewarding career of tech/ ad writing, as well as publishing an occasional magazine article with my irregular states of mind and addled moods and paranoia over twenty years, you can as well. You certainly have the prolificacy and power of creative thought that the task demands. In terms of education, I went to college, but have worked right alongside people with grade-school educations who were easily as good if not better than I have been at copywriting. Organization during my “lucid” times is the key- that and constant note-taking, as some of my meds cause acute loss of memory. -Just a few words of encouragement from a fellow traveler.
Hey. I just wanted to say that I think to be a writer you need to be able to connect with people- that’s more important than any of those things you listed! And your blog connects with lots of people. Anyway, people who write the best fiction are people who’ve felt the extremes in life. Write from experience and from the heart.
I’m on seroquel, the sleeping… is a tough one. But I wouldn’t cut back on it, I’m too scared of the weirdness. I’m lucky enough to not need a huge dose, but I totally sympathise with your good self. They should dish out medals with meds.
I’ve seen your sketches, I thought they were great , really, very good.You obviously have talent in many areas. I will be happy to make a donation to help pay for your supplies, will try to organise tomorrow . Hope that’s ok and not offensive. I used to find it so therapeutic to get lost in art, crafts, music. Have lost the urge of late.
Have you ever taken the Olanzipine Velotab (melt in your mouth type) , I read somewhere that it doesn’t cause weight gain. I know someone using it and they don’t have that big an appetite. No doubt you will do your own research and don’t take my word for it.
I am so happy for you that overall you had a relatively good Christmas at home. Well done on keeping a social life and a blog. You soooo deserve to find the right medication.
Am losing alot of hair on Depakote, I figure I will wear scarves. If it doesn’t grow back like it says on the tin I’ll try something else.
This was interesting as I’m still in the joyful process of having to choose my courses from the delicious looking med ‘menu’. I’m leaving it a long time as I’m actually rather scared and I’ve been managing relatively OK of late with just the occaisional dose of olanzapine when I get too agitated.
I’ve heard so many different reports and clearly, every individual reacts differently. I tried every anti-depressant and they all turned me into a raging demon. Shame that coz I thought they might be the magic-cure – one small pill with no serious long term side effects.
Hair-loss I can live with – I have dreads so shed strands tend to stay put!
Weight gain/dopeyness and disorientation are what worry me most.
Anyway, this isn’t about ME. I’m sorry things are all spun out at the moment. As for the writing – you ARE a writer, a good one at that. There’s just a difference between writing and being published – and in this world that, as with all else, involves alot of luck, perseverence and brown-nosing. Think you could manage that? On a good day, of course.
I hope you find a way to reaching a more ‘level’ ground. It’s a godawful illness – just so fuckin capricious and unpredictable (and on occaisions, way too predicatble).
But, all things aside, I think you’re doin grand.
Kx
*hug* Boy, do I know the feeling. I wish I had something more useful to say. But please don’t sell yourself short…as previous posters have said, you’re clearly a solid writer and have sizeable community of nutters right here. Perhaps when you’re feeling more up to it, you could try reaching out through your blog for opportunities to try and get some writing-for-other-people experience. I mean, you’ve been on the BBC site and are making waves with this blog. Who’s to say your case of the Galloping Crazies isn’t sufficient material and experience to do something really fulfilling?
I feel your pain.
D x
Oh my yes the varieties of meds out there are of so many variables except the right one for me of course has yet to be found . Yes i went through the works already gained weight lost my hair tryed not n failed miserably turning myself into a raging maniac an wish to reach out an strangle the buggers that actually just pissed me off in one way or another . This link here I wrote while on seroquil an effects of trazadone plus whatever i cant exactly remember at this time but heres the link :
http://bitchingncomplaining.blogspot.com/2008_07_01_archive.html
Its called “Beyond The Ledge” hope anyone interested reads it and enjoys the actual thought that went into it .
Really it is the way i feel most of the time . So in all I decided to write about the passing thoughts.
Cheers to ya seaneen
Hope you feel better an find the right coctail of meds to entrance the difficulties into a more paletable aspect of association of significant reality an composure . even though the lost never seems to go away an actually getting anything done during the day seems fruitless an actually unobtainable for me . But I have found in the wee hours of after midnight after everyone else in the world is off to la la land and sucking wind sleeping it off . I find myself pounding away at the keys on the computer reasearching something or other or as always writing variable post as the one linked here or posted above . for those that have no bloody idea that theres actually a link coordinated to our names directing them to our blogs . the main reason i typically follow your blog is you creative style of expression is facinating an addicting in all to see exactly what you have to say . Girl you have your own special way of expression an it is a special ability to have gained enough composure to do it on a daily basis geeez I sure find it hard to actually get up sometime during the day an to actually move is a interesting aspect in all but it never fails as the evening wears on in time i seem to find the energy to get something done at least an writing I find at least some time of a way of escape away from the reality of tradgedy that has become life as I know it but i am trying my best to deal with it .
keep your chin up n all that . have a great day .
Cheers to ya ! Dirtdog
Seaneen, I have never seen anyone more likely to become a published author. Your writing SPARKLES, so I really hope you get published some day.
Hey,
I can really relate. And I don’t think you are totally overestimating meds. I’ve been through the puking, dysphoria, bizarre side effects and all that. And then, suddenly, after years they tried something totally unexpected, and I fell back into being me again. It is the strangest feeling, like someone else took over your body and life for all of that, and you were being tossed through this storm, and suddenly, you’re washed up on the shore and everything is calm, and you can hardly remember all the crazy in between.
The same thing happened to me over the last year when I had to stop taking my good stuff. During that year, I went totally crazy, and can relate 100% to your statement of feeling like I was waking up someone different every day. I have no idea what the shrink thought, seeing me like a different person every single time.
I tried stuff from every class this last year. The drug that worked so well, you’d think drugs similar would be good, but they sent me into raging mania. No rhyme or reason to it, it is not really a science. I had those puking shaking weeks, those raging weeks where I could have killed someone, the hair loss, the wildly bouncing weight, pretty much any weird side effect you can think of.
And then, on an off comment I made about some symptom, something lit up in the shrink’s mind and we tried something, and as soon as it began to work, it’s not that all the crazy immediately went away, but, to my utter shock and surprise, I fell back into myself. The whole year faded away; I couldn’t understand how I’d been so crazy at all.
I have the fallout to deal with, the having wrecked a lot of things in my life. And it doesn’t “cure everything.” I still am moody, short fused, go through downs (but they are just a shadow of real depression, and don’t last that long). But more than “symptom reduction” or “crazy-b-gone.” I know it’s working because I’m me again. It is not a describable psychiatric feeling, it’s just that I’m back.
What someone said about revisiting things you tried before also is an idea. I took lithium and had your kind of reaction, but then took it again – a LOT less and slowly, and it wasn’t that bad. The same med isn’t even consistent in the same person.
And when you get to something that really works, the side effects will seem insignificant, almost no matter what they are.
I started to see an ever-growing list of what didn’t work, while forgetting that there were so many things I hadn’t tried. And that one of them, for no rational reason at all, might do the trick.
So I guess what I’m saying is to hold on, I know it seems like forever and like you have no present and no future when going through all that. You do want to give up. You do lose hope. You really would rather die than live like that. But it does end.
smallgirl, don’t worry too much about donations right now- I appreciate it but it’s January and everyone is broke!
I took Lithium and Depakote slowly but I do think I must have been on the wrong dose of something to have such a visceral reaction. I really was puking my guts out and feeling desperately ill on Lithium.
Lithium eventually made me impossible to move properly as my body was constantly shaking and walking down a flight of stairs was a bloody nightmare. Seroquel to me is almost a Godsend as it has gave me some control over my racing brain though I am not overly pleased that it needs to be increased so often to stay out in front. As for meds overall I have finally reached a point where the realization that I do need them to have any similarity to a normal life. Take care
Hey Seaneen,
I regret that this is the first comment that I’m leaving because I feel that making a comment about medications and not about your amazing writing is somewhat lame, however every time I read something that you write about how you’ve exhausted all your medication options I always want to say something.
I’ve seen the lists of medications you’ve tried and it seems to me that there are a lot missing, I could be wrong since you are in another country and the same meds might not be available there. But just off the top of my head: Topomax, Neurontin, Invega, Abilify and Geodon are some of the other mood stabilizers and atypicals that are commonly used here.
Something else that strikes me is that from what I read I get the sense that Psychiatrists and Psychopharmacologists here in the US play around with doses and intricate combinations of medications a lot more than they do where you are. Of course that can be a good and a bad thing depending on whether or not you have a good doctor that you trust. But often times here people are on smaller doses (with less side effects) of many medications rather than big doses of heavy meds. Sometimes it’s easier to target specific symptoms that way too. This is all questionable of course and can get out of hand quickly if you get a doctor who wants to medicate everything away.
I don’t really know what my point is in all of this, or how this will help you in any way. I guess maybe my message is just not to give up and maybe to think about the idea that it might be a really complicated combination of meds that is what helps you…and while it’s frustrating to find what that is, while it may take years and dose change after dose change to find what it is, if you find a doctor that’s willing to help you find it, it’s worth it. Your life is worth it, functioning is worth it, being able to have consistency is worth it.
I wish you luck in your journey.
You do realise I had never actually seen anything of Brooker’s before? I had hours of amusement on youtube watching the rest of his stuff on there. Thanks!
oh my word – thank you thank you!
I have been telling who ever will listen for 2 years now that my seroqual is making me sleepy (for want of a better word to describe the all incompasssing paralysis it sometime creates) and have repeatedly been told that it is all in my head – at least now I know I am not going crazy(er) – I feel so much stronger and positive about my next ‘consultation’ and may well point them in your direction so they know I am not ‘creating a fantasy within which I am right’ – thank you again xx
oh – good luck with your writing – as someone says earlier – it sparkles xx
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Seroquel is famous for fatigue. I’ve even heard at its lower doses it acts as an antihistamine. My personal joke is that it solves mental illnesses by knocking people out so they never have a chance to be crazy.
Abilify turned me into a complete zombie. I was so zoned out that it took me three months to realize I *was* a zombie. I had a huge breakdown on Symbyax (antipsychotic+an antidepressant) and scratched up my arm. Yeah, with hacked off nails because I tear them off. I still have the scars. Wellbutrin may have caused the breakdown that kicked me into a mental hospital. Problem is that by then you can’t tell if the medication caused it or your brain broke down despite it.
I’ve puked into school trash cans multiple times after starting a new medication. (Taking medications with food can help). A lot of the time side effects go away within two weeks-a month. I heard stabilization can take a year or two, and considering your case it might take longer. And remember that taking higher doses of medications doesn’t always equal a stronger effect. At different amounts they can actually work like a different medication. I’m another person on a cocktail of meds.
My psychiatrist put me on a diet at our first appointment. Keeping stable blood sugar levels helps regulate your mood (no huge spikes and crashes), and her patients tend to have less problems with weight gain. Just a thought.
Meds really do suck. My psych hammered out a great regimen, but the stigma is incredibly strong. I have a friend with a severe mental illness who refuses to take meds (years after the diagnosis and a hard road it seems to have leveled out with her psychosis and mood swings). She does sling around terms like “white coats” and generally makes me feel like crap for medicating myself. And then I’ve had people ask “but what happened to you?” as if “me” disappeared behind a haze of pills. I want to know what happened to “me” when that mental illness hit.
And don’t feel like you have to completely dive into something to be consistent. If you want to write, just do a little bit each day. It can be a paragraph or sucky free writing. Just don’t feel like you have to do a superb job to be consistent. Start out slow.
*shrugs*
I’m not one to bother with a reply to a post but that was excellent!