Well, how do I feel now that I’ve recovered my mental faculties?
Like a “piggin’ idiot”, as Nick Frost would say.
Physically, I feel pretty bad. The whole, “Did someone kick seven bells out of me?” sensation hasn’t subsided. I had a fit, or seizure or something like it which meant that I liberally smashed into various items of furniture. My ribs and back are killing me and I keep finding cuts and scratches on my body. My tummy still feels like crap, I threw up orange sick and feel somewhat swollen, too. Basically I am not at my most elegant right now.
I feel embarrassed, horrified and very, very guilty. Embarrassed because you really don’t want the staff of the London Ambulance Service to see you naked and covered in sick (”Lucky bastards” says Nik), nor do you particularly want your friends to see your norks (it’s okay, though, I have great knockers), vomit or to see you wired up to a drip thing, barely coherent . I’m horrified because I keep getting flashbacks that frighten the hell out of me. I’m also having real difficulty taking my medication. I had to choke down Seroquel last night because the pill brought a rush of vomit to my throat. Guilty because of the obvious; had the roles been reversed and I had come home to find Rob “dead” on the floor, it would have traumatised me for life. I put, and continue to put, my friends and family through a lot of worry. I’m really glad my little sister doesn’t live here as she’d already found my dad on one of his suicide attempts.
Tellingly, my mum hasn’t called, texted or sent smoke signals. Oh well. I have long since acknowledged that she’s not a very good mother.
I have no idea how to face everyone and will probably be reclusive for a while. Although people have been very supportive and loving, I expect a bit of pissed-offness and I’m a bit mortified about it all. I’d love to pretend that nothing happened but that’s almost as bad. Not taking this seriously and dismissing it, as I always do with my feelings, as, “Whoops, took a little bit too much there!” will get me slapped. But talking about it like this makes me feel as though I’m being dramatic or something. I feel like I’m making a “big deal” of it, which is ridiculous!
I’m quite a bad ambassador for manic depression, really. I won’t be invited to the yearly secret manic depressive meet up. They’ll take my chair away. I won’t get the pretty embroidered name card. They’ll send me a letter that’s just a photo of a middle finger. This blog is still about recovery from the mentals but, er, a few blips along the way, perhaps? I don’t like the voyeuristic element of blogging; this is not, “Here is my pain, world!”
Mentally I feel alright, but shaken and a bit absent and foggy. I’m typing like a caveman, just smacking buttons. I had a bit of a hairy moment last in my bedroom when I started seeing stuff but I think it was sleepy hallucinations. I am trying to justify everything to myself and the people that know. I am hoping that they understand that it was a mix of being badly medicated, extremely down and desperate that led me to it and that I wasn’t in my right mind. I am more in my right mind now than I have been. I hope that they get that I’m still a sane mentalist, and reasonably well adjusted and emotionally stable, even if I’m not stable in terms of moods. Up and down is part of who I am, in terms of my personality. If I was flattering myself I’d use the phrase, “here comes a storm in the form of a girl”, but it’s vastly different than extreme mood swings. That, my friends, is being mental and it sucks. The hardest thing to explain to anyone about manic depression is how non-reactive it is, at least in my experience. People always look for a cause, and it just isn’t there. I called off the search a long time ago.
I’ve stopped taking Effexor as I think it was the culprit in my rather severe and unexpected mood swings of late. I’m having no withdrawal symptoms so far but then again, I usually get away quite lightly in terms of withdrawal, considering the massive amount of medications I’ve had to stop taking. I simply can’t face taking Lamictal ever again. Even the smell of it makes me gag. I hope I get over that. I still can’t stand the smell or taste of painkillers or vodka.
It’s not a unique situation I’m in; most of my readers are mentally interesting so I imagine a lot of you have tried to leave the gig early, too. I have taken an overdose before, but this one was different as I didn’t do it in my bedroom at home where I could be easily found. Didn’t write a hugely melodramatic suicide note saying goodbye cruel world. Didn’t ring anyone until I couldn’t take the vomiting and pain anymore, pulled the phone out of the wall and did it long before Rob was back from work. It wasn’t an adolescent cry for help. I meant business. So it is a little bit unique in context of my life. (Although someone has pointed out that the medications I took are not inherently fatal. They were all I had. My attitude to it was if I took enough, then it would work).
The thing is that I’m not wholly sympathetic to suicide or suicide attempts. I am the person most likely to be angry at you for it (I’ve been through it too much with Brendan, Vicky and my dad) so I’m rather angry at myself. I don’t think it’s weak or anything like that. I know there is a point where pain becomes unbearable (believe me on that) and you’ll do anything to stop it, and dying doesn’t matter. But I’ve been in the aftermath so many times. Funny how I didn’t even think of that myself. I didn’t think at all how people would feel.
Last night I had very vivid dreams about some people from my ex-life. My life in Belfast, my life before life. For some reason the dream was soundtracked by Massive Attack. I guess if you go through a, “I could easily have died” experience you think about the people who aren’t around anymore, in either the no longer knowing them sense or in the deaded sense.
It occurred to me that some people who were important to me in the past (like my exes, and my close friends in school) would never find out if I had died. I wondered; Would they even care? Probably not. Would I even want them to know? I’m not sure.
Mistakes, though, are not always regrets. I have very little regret about anyone that I ever knew, even those who I only knew for too short a time before they died. I’m grateful to have known them. The mental goths, the people at school I sparred with. Warm feelings, friendly feelings, wanting to pat their head because they were in my life. They probably remember me quite differently though… here comes a storm in the form of a girl… To be egotistical, I’m rather enamoured by the fact that I am some peoples’ “I knew this girl, right…” tale. But if something happened to one of them, I’d want to know about it.
I guess it’s a bit “life flashing before your eyes”, except it’s “vomit erupting from your mouth”. But more than wallowing in the past, I am very grateful for who I have in the present.
So. Where from here? This throws a spanner in the works concerning my treatment. I seem to be a bit resistant, especially in terms of depression. Effexor: clearly a bad idea and the psychiatrist used it as a “last resort”. I can’t face taking Lamictal again and it wasn’t working anyway. I’ve already taken carbamazepine, Depakote and Lithium, so what does that leave for mood stabilisers? I don’t think they prescribe Topamax for manic depression in the UK. I suspect that they won’t try an antidepressant again, it has yielded disastrous results every time.
When I mentioned this (the last of the antidepressants) to my CPN, she said there’s always ECT. Which scares the shit out of me.
In short, I feel a bit screwed. This is going to be a looooong hard road. My whole, “Ping! You’re cured!” fantasies have proved fruitless.
What I am not going to do is try to top myself again. I know people think that straight after an unsuccessful attempt (how damning does that sound? ”You can’t even kill yourself properly!”) that I’d probably try it again. I can assure you that I won’t. The experience of the overdose shook me up so much that a) I feel glad I’m alive b) I feel like a complete shit for putting people through it and c) if dying is that unpleasant, I’d rather pop my clogs in my sleep.
Will I get very depressed again? Probably. It’s the nature of the beast. Everyone gets depressed sometimes. Even if I didn’t have manic depression I’d get depressed sometimes because I’m human. I don’t like it, and I’m not being fatalistic. It’s just true. Nor am I sure how long this okay feeling will last, but I’m alright about it.
But I have the feeling that I’m going to be monitored somewhat closely by the community mental health team for a while and I should, above all, do what I never do; tell someone! Ask for help. I’m still crap at doing that. As hard as I find doing it, it’s got to be better than expiring on a puke stained carpet.
I’m going to take it easy for the next few days until I feel a bit better. I owe a lot of people a pint. And I have a few things to look forward to: Charlie Brooker’s Dead Set starts on 27th October, which me and Rob are in, and Eddie Izzard next month. So that’s good. And thank you all for your comments.
Knowing my luck, though, I will get hit by a cement truck tomorrow, or be killed by ninjas.
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I’m actually really surprised they let you “go” so quickly out of hospital.
I’m not really sure what they do with people here in the States who makes attempts on their life, although I have known lots of people with this illness who go straight from the ER to the psychiatric hospital for a 72 hour hold, especially if they are under the care of a psychiatrist, to have their medications sorted out, usually without their consent.
I haven’t made my own attempt. Though I have my own box of large amounts of drugs, my thinking says taking them means certain death, which I don’t want to do. I would never do that to my kids or my husband.
I’m glad you are saying that you are at that point. I hope that you never spiral down to a point where you look at a box of drugs or a prescription of meds, and see that that is ever a logical conclusion again, because it isn’t. Ever.
I know you are surrounded by friends and people who love you, and you are very intelligent, but you seem alone and lost with this. Please be well.
You’re not a bad ambassador. You’re simply a good example of a manic-depressive. This sh*t is really hard to deal with sometimes, most of the time, and it seems you’ve been dealt a harder hand than most. This isn’t the time to beat yourself up about that, though.
I’m glad to hear that you’re willing to talk about it. Even talking about it here helps, but talking about it to your professionals will help even more, I think. Just remember that you have people who love you; you don’t have to understand why they love you, just accept that they do. (I still have trouble with that last one myself.)
It’s also good to know that you have special things coming up that you and Rob are looking forward to doing together.
Please take care of yourself, and let others take care of you as well.
but you seem alone and lost with this
In terms of mentalism, I think everyone’s alone and lost. No one can get inside your head.
They let me go on the conditions that Rob stay with me and I mistakenly told them I had a CPN and psychiatric appointment the day after. There’s really no point in admitting me somewhere that’s going to scare me and when the CPN will probably call in the crisis team anyway.
I disagree that by this suicide attempt you’ve failed the community. You’ve just provided a more honest and down to earth experience of what the road to recovery can be like. Lets face it, if your story was just an uneventful trial of different drugs leading to an instant recovery, having discovered your miracle drug, you wouldn’t really be representative of the mentally ill community.
Hell, I don’t want to represent the mental health community! The bad ambassador thing is a joke!
I doubt you will find one person who reads your blog who will turn away because of this. If anything it pulled everyone together more than ever. We like you, for “You”, and that means all of you, period. You are a pillar Seaneen (OK lets say its a pillar which at times is a little “shakey” maybe) which people need. The fact that you have had the courage to come back on line and openly write about something which you are clearly embarrassed about, makes me respect you even more.
Glad you are back
Lola x
You haven’t failed the mental health community. You’re dealing with bipolar and it’s just what it is. I really appreciate you sharing. And I’m awfully glad you’re alive too.
it is what it is, dear girl. i’m glad you had a bad enough experience that you won’t be trying it again soon. i wish you’d flush your box of tricks, what little bit is left.
also, i believe the effexor made you do it. you weren’t in your right mind (as if there were such a thing). i do believe that you are emotionally healthy, as you put it.
i sincerely hope there is a miracle left that you haven’t tried yet.
I’m glad you were honest about it. Now I feel like less of a freak.
There are some drugs left – topamax was the first one I thought of, but there’s also neurontin, lyrica…and a whole bunch more in those and similar classes that I can’t name off the top of my head.
The fact you tried to top yersel doesn’t stop the fact you have said some pretty intelligent and witty things about the the whole being mental thing. You are like a bipolar Dot Parker.
You mentioned to me that you want people to derive hope from what you write. This posts proves you provide it.
Glad you are making jokes so soon.
I’ve just now caught up on my reader, and I’m so glad you are back home. I’m surprised they don’t prescribe topamax in the UK–it kicked my rapid cycling in the ass when I took it a few years ago. Take care.
I had a pretty bad reaction to Effexor also and I’ve heard others speak the same. I got pretty tired of docs messing with my meds… NONE of them worked right and they all had side-effects that I felt were worse than the manic-depression. Seriously, who wants to walk around life being a numb zombie? It was nice for a while (stopped the racing thoughts and the maladaptive behaviors so I could work on dealing with reality), but eventually, I realized that the zombie costume just didn’t fit me the way I and others hoped it would. From reading this post, you seem to have a good grasp on the disorder and it’s effects on you… and you accept it as simply part of who you are. Maybe there is a way you can get this part of you to work FOR you rather than AGAINST you?
They do prescribe things off label – so as long as alternatives are available in the UK, there’s a possibility they may prescribe it.
I don’t understand why you think a suicide attempt wouldn’t be understood by other manic depressives (?) … suicide attempts appear in the diagnostic criteria. It’s part of the disease.
I don’t ever get embaressed about the crazy stuff I’ve done when I’ve been ill. Why? Because at the end of the day, I don’t have control over my symptoms. And whilst I’ve got control of my mental faculties, I prefer not to beat myself up if I can help it (I can do that when I’m depressed).
“Funny how I didn’t even think of that myself. I didn’t think at all how people would feel. ”
Suicide happens when rational thoughts stop. People always say “they should have asked for help” – but how can someone do that when, at that point in time, dying seems like the only right thing to do?
” The hardest thing to explain to anyone about manic depression is how non-reactive it is, at least in my experience. People always look for a cause, and it just isn’t there.”
Indeed. When things are going great I can be suicidal, when things are falling apart, I can feel fine. Yet everyone wants there to be triggers. I guess it’s easier for people to think there’s a reason we do these crazy things, rather than it being completely down to unpredictable mood shifts.
Do keep trying with the meds. As I said some time ago, I think effexor was a bad antidepressant to try you on after the SSRI failures (since it causes many people with both BPI and II to flip).
Hope the groggyness clears up soon xxx
I don’t think that people wouldn’t understand. I just debated over posting all this here but felt I had to update people because everyone was so worried. This, to me, is a bit shaming because it exposes a sort of weakness. I’m a bit of a stoic, you might have guessed! I plod along trying to be all strong and stuff. I never wanted to get so low that I thought that ending it was the best option. I wanted to be stronger than that, though I had been fighting the same thoughts for months. Kind of like a storm building up, then breaking.
I can’t help getting embarrassed, even if I know it’s beyond my control and beyond rational thought. Everyone thought I was doing so well. They were proud of me. I feel like I have let them down.
I’m also quite aware that this kind of thing makes me look “mental”. Although I am okay with people knowing I have mental illness, I worry about being seen as “mental”, someone who flies off the handle, when I don’t. Basically, I don’t want anyone to be ashamed to be associated with me.
Hi there,
Hey I am sorry that you had a horrid time and I am sorry that you had to go through all this. Hope you are feeling better now. Me not doing good, I was on an extended hypo mania state and went home for about 10 days. My father passed away recently (Sep 7) and I got into a bad shape, now on Sodium Valporate, Lithium and Olanzapine.
I feel you are a great ambassador. Take care.
I would never be ashamed to be associated with you!
Not wanting to go into personal details here, but I’m certainly in no position to judge. I’d imagine that goes for most people here.
Two emails and a comment could make it look like I’m some mad mental manic depressive blogger groupie/stalker, I guess I should be aware of that… But I’m not really…
Either way, if you’re not invited to the manic depressive meetup this year, it’s overrated anyway… They’re all crazy they are.
But you’re definitely a great ambassador for mentalists throughout the country. I certainly feel better knowing that I’m not on my own with my crazy mental thoughts.
Anyways… Take it easy girl, you can do the buying pints for folk in wee while. You obviously have a good bunch of people around you, so just look after yourself for the next wee while.
Cheers…
Me
I think most of your readers get it and we’re just glad that you’re alive. This must have been very hard for you… to get out of such a traumatic experience and facing the paparazzi waiting on the way out (us) asking you all about it. Thank you for taking the time and sharing this despite how annoying it must be for you. I hope you get some rest.
We’re all have some sort of weakness. The real divison is created by those who pretend they dont; either mock those who do or lie about their own weaknesses.
But I don’t think you’re weak at this moment. You’re not hiding. You’re telling the truth about what happened and not making up reasons for why it happened.
I think the difference between a suicide attempt and suicidal thoughts is just a matter of balance. Sometimes when you feel yourself falling down the stairs you can stop yourself from falling. At other times, you’re too off balance to help yourself.
I understand what you mean about the embarrassment (and re-reading, I can see how I sounded) I just mean that although we can’t help what we feel, just don’t lend too much help to those thoughts. It’s easy to get caught in the intrusive, automatic thoughts.
Ahh, the pride thing. I understand. I’ve now got a relationship with my consultant where if I have a really good appointment, he seems delighted – hence when I start getting psychotic thoughts or feeling depressed, I hate to have to admit it. I wish I could help you there.
And I think I get the mental thing too. There seems to be a real distinction out in the world between people who are “crazy but you don’t mind being there friend” and “*really* crazy people who concern you” – it’s why I struggle to talk about psychosis with anyone. I don’t want to cross the line.
But I’d never be ashamed to be associated with you. You’re a lovely person, intelligent and witty, you don’t approve of other people being marginalized – you’re also fighting for the rights of other mentalists – and I’m sure there are many, many more good qualities about you.
I’m certain your ‘real life’ friends aren’t ashamed to be associated with you either. They didn’t have to help you out – it would have been easy to walk away – but I’m guessing they didn’t because they love you because of your good qualities and despite of your problems (that’s what friendship is all about, right?).
I don’t think you’re making a big deal out of it, god hun it is a big deal but you’re gonna get thru it. In an indirect way you’ve given me the kick up the arse I’ve needed for a long time regarding the painkiller addiction. I’m stopping for good today is my first day pretty much since Jan THAT i HAVEN’T od’D ON co codamol or co dydramol. Like you I can’t and don’t want to do this to myself or ppl who love me anymore. One step at a time tho!
*big huge scottish hugs* You’re a star even if you don’t believe it!
x x x x
i think that people before me have eloquently expressed what i want to say.
It’s just great that you’re still with us. Hold on till it gets sunny and warm again and come down with Rob to the seaside for a pint on the beach. X
A lot of people have made some comments here that are very supportive, valid etc… I do not wish to come across sounding “cavalier” about this but being Bipolar or Manic Depressive can sometimes lead to these events.
I have OD’d twice. Well early on during my “mental health career.” I now know not to do it as a an attempt–you just make yourself sick and can do bodily damage at worst. However, this is not a suicide “How To…” here.
The point being, we are all going to feel suicidal at times and battling this stupid beast, as it is chronic…these suicidal feelings will never go away. It sucks but it is true.
I can understand to a degree (as I am not in your head), how you may feel about this but there is no shame. You may feel as though you have let people down but you know you don’t want to die, right? As I always say, “It is the illness talking; not you.”
A blip on the radar? Sure. A big blip, if you wish to say so, fine as well. However, you are making your way through it and you will. You are a very strong person. We all are because we are still here after being suicidal, making attempts…after all of the things that trigger us and make us do all the “crazy” things we have done.
Good lord. Some days I wonder how the hell I’m still alive.
Hugs,
PA
Hi Seaneen,
As far as Efexor being the end of the line goes, you haven’t tried Wellbutrin (Bupropion) yet, have you? It’s newish.
Wellbutin isn’t licenced in the UK I think.
It will take me forever to go through all the comments but THANK YOU everyone for your concern, love, empathy and advice. I really appreciate it.
I love Wellbutrin as an antidepressant but it makes me a bit high. I have to be loaded with lithium to take it. And I see a bit of stuff that isn’t there with it.
Big hugs. You are not a bad ambassador- you’re just a very normal manic depressive! And ‘recovery’ is not the same as ‘cure’- it does involve relapses now and then…it’s a very long process, and if it’s got a finish point, it’s very debatable (as I’m sure you know)! The sheepish, embarrassed feelings might last a while, eventually they will go away and you will come to terms with what’s happened. I had a very similar episode which turned out quite positive in some ways, as it suddenly made my team, as well as me, realise how serious my illness actually was, and they suddenly became extra enthusiastic to sort my meds regime out- I have been more or less stable now for 8 years as a result. I really do hope you have a similar experience.
Wellbutrin isn’t licensed as an AD in the UK. But it is available as Zyban, the stopping-smoking drug. Some doctors I’ve met are happy to prescribe it off-label, others not.
I understand ECT being scary – I am scared of it too – but it does have a really good response/result rate for depression. Much better than drugs. The main potential side-effect is memory loss, though apparently that’s usually temporary & often relates only to a short period (a few weeks) before the ECT.