I don’t feel so good recently. My mood has switched into something nameless. I can’t describe it; a kind of shaky deadness. The way you’d imagine carrion scraps stitched to brown bone shivering in the wind.
Mental illness and religion have a long association. Even the language used to describe mental illness is heavily reliant on the ideals of spirituality. We overcome our demons. We walk with angels. We have faith in our recoveries.
Many people see their psychotic experiences as valuable because it bought them closer to god. “Hyperreligiousity” appears as a symptom of a manic episode, and I, without god, have experienced it too. I went through a phase where I was buoyant in the belief that I was a chosen disciple, that I was blessed by god. I also went though a period where I believed that Satan lived in my bedroom.
There is the old adage that if Jesus existed these days and went around declaring himself the messiah he’d be sectioned. And we regard David Shayler and David Icke (it seems that David is the mandatory name for a Messiah complex) as ever so slightly mental. Anyone remotely unusual is somebody that we say is mental.
There are times in which I cherish my lack of spirituality. I have absolutely no spiritual beliefs whatsoever. I don’t believe in god, angels, karma, any sort of afterlife, wiccanism, satan and ghosts. I have absolutely no interest in New Age-ism, reiki, holistic therapies, alternative therapies, the occult, the alignment of the moon and the seas, in anything like that. It doesn’t mean that I dislike people who are interested in such things. It just doesn’t hold my attention. Whereas I don’t believe in god, I am still interested in god as an idea. To me, god is simply the most primitive, and enduring, form of law.
This might portray me as a staid scientist with a lack of morals but I believe in love, in human abilities, in compassion, kindness and joy. However, do I think that humans are naturally good? No, not really. However, I think our goodness is hampered by outdated bigoted doctrine that has a frightening influence on society. A society based upon by religion will never progress because questions become blasphemy. That law and morality is founded upon dusty tomes written by humans years ago scares me. The basis of holy texts; take the bible as an example, are sound. Love thy neighbour, respect your parents, give to the needy. But those principles got lost somewhere and others are twisted around a politic to give it credibility. Religions are exclusionist, and my principles are inclusionist, that we should work towards a better world together, with humanity as one. While not quite joining hands around this rocky star, then something close would be ideal for me. A “stick to your own” is a hallmark of an oppressive society; think of white nationalism. A “stick to your own” applies too with religious extremism. Even non-extremism. And it is a selfish, self preserving notion that does not benefit humanity one iota.
But.
There is a difference between faith and religion. And faith, pure, goose-feathered, floating, joyous faith, untarnished by hatred and traditional responsibility, is something that I admire. It takes strength to have faith in anything, but especially something that you cannot tangibly feel. Of course, people would argue that god’s presence is everywhere, that this is his creation, so how could you not have faith? My rational mind just believes that we’re primates crawling upon cragged mountain faces. I still marvel at the veins pulsing through heart-shaped leaves. It doesn’t mean that I do not gaze in awe at the sky and try to fathom how we came into being. It’s just that my initial conclusions do not involve seven days.
So what meaning do psychotic religious experiences have to an atheist? What meaning does any of this have to an atheist?
I see my own religious mania as a symptom of my mental illness. What a dull way to see it, but that’s how it is. It, like so much more of my psychosis, has no basis in reality whatsoever, no connection to my rational, ordinary beliefs. It was as ridiculous to me as thinking that Danny John Jules was stalking me.
Meaning in life, however, is rather different. This is where my admiration of faith is so expressed; that meaning, that universal feeling of being loved, and being a part of the world, of being a child of god, is a beautiful idea. I often feel extremely lonely in this. There is no “greater purpose” to my suffering, to any suffering. It is just crying into the dark, and not understanding why, or how. I do have great love for humanity, but it is lost in hatred for myself. Living without god means that there are no answers. There are only a thousand unanswered questions. And knowing, as I do in my “soul”, or that pit of ourselves where our fears and loves dwell, that this is it, is exhilarating in the right frame of mind, but so deeply depressing in another, when you realise that your life is ticking away, without consequence, with a mind that conspires against you, and a body that is cracking under its pressure.
Faith is such a plainly necessary creation. It is a natural device for coping with pain. To believe that there is more, that there is an afterlife, that we are not just bone and meat, means that when we say goodbye to our loved ones, it is only just for a moment, and that we will be reunited with them again. To believe in a soul that dwells beyond our weak form, and to believe that the soul is unbreakable and eternal, is a beautiful thing.
I am jealous of that, I guess. A few months after my dad died, I found myself slumped against a wall, howling into the wind and sobbing to the sky to come back, please, come back. With all the losses I’ve endured I have cried into pillows and simply not been able to cope with the thought that it is useless, that it will bring them back. The pain is intense, and neverending. That it is meaningless is hard to cope with. For those who I have watched suffer and die, and those in the world who continue to suffer and die, my lack of faith means that it was no reason, and that there is no penance. Knowing that my dad was also an atheist, and so afraid of death, his dying to me was excruciating, knowing that fear, knowing I could do nothing to comfort him.
Living without god, for me, is being utterly self reliant. No amount of praying, although I do appreciate it when people have prayed for me, is going to help me. So, I turn to those other gods, psychiatrists, the medical profession, who truly have powers over life and death, to help me. And the strength can only come from within, so what do you do when you feel weak? What do you do then?
For a while I believed in some sort of karma. In my own selfish world, it was that life must be kinder to me in other ways because I spent so long as the mercy of madness and destruction, and because of the continuing struggle against that madness. This, I reckoned, is enough to cope with, because I’m twenty two, I did not hurt anybody, I didn’t do anything to deserve it. But life wasn’t so kind, and isn’t, and I wonder why. I watch it try to slam me into the dust and I watch good people go through awful things and I don’t know why. It can’t be luck, because luck is a certain kind of nameless faith. And if I believe it is because I am bad, then who is punishing me? So I reasoned, that it is just how life is.
There are times when I lie awake in the dark, staring at the same spot for hours, willing some sort of shape to form and whisper to me why. But it is not there, and never will be. So I turn around, kiss Rob’s sleeping shoulder, and recognise that my meaning is to live this finite amount of years as best I can, to love, and to be loved.
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I have also struggled with similar infirmities and I would not wish depression on anyone. However, life without God would be unbearable. It would send me over the edge.
I want to be sensitive here. I will be honest; I did not read all that you wrote. I did read to this point, however,
A society based upon by religion will never progress because questions become blasphemy.
I think that the gospel demands questions. Faith is not a blind leap IMO, but is based on facts.
The most technologically advanced nation in the world is also the most Christian nation in the world.
I am not sure what I am saying except to say that Jesus said, “I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.”
There are promises that God has made to anyone who will put their trust in Him. The only way to know for sure if those promises are true, is to take God for a test drive. Are you interested to know how many horsepower are under His hood?
Not really, no. I took God for a test drive years ago. Like your faith, my lack thereof is based on facts.
The most technologically advanced nation in the world is also the most Christian nation in the world.
I had no idea that Romania was so technologically advanced! (According to the CIA World Factbook, 99% of Romanians identify as some form of Christian. By comparison the USA only manages 78.5%.)
Anyway…
I’ve been an atheist since I was a kid. I don’t regret my lack of faith. As far as I can see, there’s no real difference between believing in God(s) and believing in, for example, invisible pink unicorns. I don’t really understand how believing in either would be comforting. It definitely wouldn’t be a comfort to me.
I think that people who are going to question stuff end up questioning things whether or not they subscribe to any particular religion. For people like that faith cuts both ways. Belief may be comforting to some, but doubt and crises of faith can’t be enjoyable. The problem (or at least a problem) with religion is that it provides an endless source of uncertainty.
“However, do I think that humans are naturally good? No, not really. However, I think our goodness is hampered by outdated bigoted doctrine that has a frightening influence on society. A society based upon by religion will never progress because questions become blasphemy. That law and morality is founded upon dusty tomes written by humans years ago scares me. The basis of holy texts; take the bible as an example, are sound.”
“Faith is such a plainly necessary creation. It is a natural device for coping with pain. To believe that there is more, that there is an afterlife, that we are not just bone and meat, means that when we say goodbye to our loved ones, it is only just for a moment, and that we will be reunited with them again.”
I would just like to say that I agree with everything, especially the two quoted bits, and couldn’t have written it better myself.
I have bipolar and i am agnostic. If christian faith is not a source of therapy for us than fine. there no sense in wishing for something thats not there.
If meaning for love for your significant other is a source of support greater than loving God, than thats great.
We all find our own ways of support and therapy for BiPD and continue to find more ways when we are well enough to do so.
Thats what coping and growing are about. There is no one way that works for everybody whether faithful or not .
I’ve just discovered your blog and look forward to reading more.
This is such a beautifully written, intelligent and thoughtful post.
After my parents and brother died (I was five at the time) I too would gaze up at the sky and beg/wish/will them to come back.
I also knew in my heart that the god, with whom they were supposedly residing in heaven, did not exist.
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This is one of my favorite posts from you of late.
I was brought up a christian but I became an atheist around my 12 birthday. No painful event, just a realisation, like when you grow up and stop believing in Santa Claus.
I tend to enjoy my lack of faith, and it conforts me to think that I am outside a deluded system and get to think and ask everything I want to.
I understood everything you said though, the lack of purpose, feeling like nothing of what’s happening has a reason, so, why do it, why keep strugling… the futility.
However, I have developed such a dislike of most religions while growing up, that the painful despair doens’t make me wish for me to have faith.
Very honest and well said. I think this is the most honest post I have ever read about this subject.
Many blessings and grace to you,
Cristian
I grew up believing in God. Then I read the bible, starting at page one. It didn’t take long before I came to the conclusion that god is an asshole and even if he did exist I wouldn’t worship him.
That was years ago. Now my only regret is that I was never baptized so that I could be a legitimat heretic.
The bible was written by men for many purposes. At the worst, god was used as a rationale for war. At the best, god was an attempt to understand humanity’s need for purpose, and as a way to believe in what we want to believe is an eternal self.
It’s painful and frightening to think that this consciousness can cease to exist. But that’s the psychological nature of the survival mechanism. Fear and pain keep our hands off of hot stoves.
Only those biological organisms that experience pain can survrive long enough to reproduce. Those that don’t, don’t survive.
In the history of evolution, animals became complex. Brains evolved. Psycology evolved. “Nothing wants to die.” And that need to survive became part of the psycological realm. We want to live beyond our deaths. We want those we love to live beyond their deaths. Heaven became the perfect place.
If there is no Heaven, is there a purpose? Look again at the sky and realize that every atom in your body and on this planet was once a part of the stars. It was in the stars where every atom with more than two protons was made. Meanwhile, the stars care nothing for us.
But we care for each other. Some of us even care for bugs… and stars. There’s purpose in that, even if it’s not from a fictional heaven, but from that which grew on this maybe singular rock orbiting at just the right distance from a star among uncountable rocks revolving around uncountable stars.
The lack of divine meaning doesn’t make our feelings any less sincere, or any less meaningful to our lives and the lives of those around us.
I feel a dichotomy. On one hand, life is meaningless because what will it matter in a hundred years. On the other hand, it’s all we’ll ever have — and that makes it precious.
I have never met people who are more sincerely awed by the beauty of the universe than scientists. A large percentage of whom are atheists.
Do not mistake spirituality with religion. I am an agnostic (as in: if any sort of “god” does exist, which it might, I am quite certain that no man-made religion has come close to representing its properties).
At the same time, I consider myself a highly spiritual person. The feeling I get when I read on physics or biology falls nothing short of transcendent , and is a feeling to which the religiously-prescribed “awe” can’t come even close.
The world is not only just-as beautiful without God, it is MORE beautiful without God.
The religions we’ve invented are an antiquated means of explaining what we couldn’t, and therefore, inherently, are childish bastardizations of the true miracle that is reality.
They served their purpose when we knew so little about the world we live in that without them we had no grounds to stand on. Now that we have started to unveil the true beauty of the universe, I look forward to the day when they serve purely as literature.
(by the way: as much as they like to pretend otherwise, the good ol’ pious are just as miserable, immoral, and insecure as we lost souls are)
My advice to you is to let go of this hollow artificial idea of what spirituality is (i.e: blind faith), and embrace the beauty of the universe as it is.
Yes. Sometimes circumstances make this hard. But to me it would be much more terrifying to grow old and realize that I’ve lived my life trying to avoid living my life. This is the true monster behind faith: avoidance. Yes you avoid the bad, but you can also miss out on a whole lot of the good.
sheesh…
yup, there’s no god kids, sorry.
the ghost of my dog Gyp does however look over me.
i think each to their own and everyone is groovy.
I don’t think we should let the mere lack of a God spoil religion, though.
Even though i disagree with you, i do understand your point of view.
I think that people that have mystic or religion delusion and the church as an institution are a horrible combination for the real faith.
“Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends”
Thats a great example of how a lot of people think.
I see Religion and Science as an other false binarism.
The Bible declares that the existence of God is evident and obvious through the witness of the creation.
The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork. Day unto day utters speech, And night unto night reveals knowledge. There is no speech nor language
Where their voice is not heard. [Psalm 19:1]
Those who deny such obvious things are suppressing the truth in spite of the obvious:
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse… [Rom 1:18-20]
While science has advanced man through technology, there are two areas of science that have never produced any benefit for mankind. Astronomy and evolution.
Awesome. Wrath of god!
I am a Christian. I don’t like to think of myself as ‘religious’, I can’t make sense of the God of the Old Testament and all his ethnic cleansing, in fact I can little make sense of the Jesus of the New Testament. But I have faith, which in the Bible is called being ’sure of what you hope for and certain of what you cannot see’. Most days I can’t believe in life after death, I just can’t. But I find I can’t enjoy life before death without having faith. So that’s a little of what I believe. I’m not a fan of bashing people with Bibles, so I’ll leave it at that.
“My mood has switched into something nameless. I can’t describe it; a kind of shaky deadness. The way you’d imagine carrion scraps stitched to brown bone shivering in the wind.”
This paragraphs is a great example of what an amazing writer you are. That you come up with wonderful images like this even as you struggle with illness says a lot about your humongous talent for the written word.
Hope that didn’t come across wrong – there are lots of decent blogs out there but your talent is head and shoulders above the vast majority.
The funny thing is that it is possible to have a feeling of faith with no belief in God. For example, you are a good writer so you can can have a feeling of faith in your ability to write well. Take this a step further, and you can have an abstract faith in yourself. You can have a feeling that whatever you do, it will turn out OK.
To have faith, you don’t even need to rid yourself of skepticism. You can have faith and skepticism at the same time. I think that faith has been given a bad name because our society tries to force us to choose between faith and skepticism. If you have enough faith in your beliefs you can examine them very closely. If you have weak faith, you will fear to examine your beliefs because you fear that they will fall apart. So in a way, skepticism requires a certain amount of faith.
In the same way, it is possible to “pray” with no belief in God. The studies that have shown the benefits of faith and prayer show there is no limitation on who or what you believe in. I believe that less intelligent peope need their God to look and think a lot like them. Petty and small minded. Easily angered. Smarter people have their God as a kind of super human. The ultimate is for God to vanish all together and for there to be only emptiness which is clear, radiant, and beautiful. It exists all the time regardless of who we are and what we do. It is always there for us. It’s not a being or a place, but rather a mental state, a result of activity of the human brain.
Sometimes I wish I were not such a brainy skeptic. It would be easier not only to believe in God, but also to get to know God and God’s view of the universe and man; get to know what God thinks is important. Sometimes our spirits, deep within, long to know God personally, but the spirit of unbelief keeps us in our logic or emotions.
We have a right to God. We can avail ourselves of this right.
It is not a matter of whether or not we believe in God. It is a matter of the way God sees us.
If we can’t believe by using our brains (because our brains won’t accept anything they can’t deduce from sense information), we can contact God and receive from God by using our spirits if we give our spirits half a chance to grow and develop naturally. Most of us have spirits that have never been used, so naturally we fall back on our brains or emotions just as a blind person hears more acutely. I am the biggest skeptic, but at least I care enough to find out more about God. If God does exist, the guy is kind of an important guy, not to be ignored. Let’s not be ostriches.
Science gathers evidence and sets about understanding it.
People understand evolution by looking at different species and their heritage, and we can understand the history of the universe by looking through telescopes at distant stars whose light is reaching us for the first time. Light from further away corresponds to events further in the past, so we can see the history of the universe in the Firmament. The evidence for evolution and for a universe that is billions of years old is irrefutable.
but: The important content of Christianity isn’t in the literal narrative about how we have animals or whether the world was made in seven days as per Genesis. It’s very useful to live “as if” there is a God, even if we can’t know unequivocally that a christian God exists while we’re alive.
Like godines says, science v. religion is a false dichotomy and rubbishing astronomy or evolution because you think they’ve falsified your favourite creation myth is kind-of missing the point.
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In reply to Russ who wrote: “there are two areas of science that have never produced any benefit for mankind. Astronomy and evolution.”
Russ, I don’t know much about the stock market. In fact, I know almost nothing about the stock market. Due to my personal ignorance on the subject, I opt not to form any opinions on it; and what ill-formed notions I may have inadvertently formed, I have the common sense not to voice.
Evolution is one of the most important discoveries of biology, and its discovery has directly led to everything from the discovery of DNA and the development of genetics, to better understanding how, for example, viruses develop immunity to our drugs over time and how new diseases come about (trivial stuff eh).
Astronomy. Really? Because last time I checked, most of the laws of classical physics are based largely on astronomical observations… but I guess to the faithful Newton’s laws of motion, Kepler’s laws, Einstein’s General relativity, etc. etc. are all pretty useless stuff.
Not only is astronomy important, its development was the very birth of science.
Agreed that astronomy and evolution are the basis of life on earth, and life in the universe. They are, in my eyes, two of the biggest benefits to mankind.
And I guess there is a scientific awe that is like a spiritual one, and often I feel it, standing in the middle of a city even, I feel it.
To have faith, you don’t even need to rid yourself of skepticism. You can have faith and skepticism at the same time. I think that faith has been given a bad name because our society tries to force us to choose between faith and skepticism. If you have enough faith in your beliefs you can examine them very closely. If you have weak faith, you will fear to examine your beliefs because you fear that they will fall apart. So in a way, skepticism requires a certain amount of faith.
I agree with this too, in fact, the most dedicated Christians I know are extremely inquisitive, skeptical people. And you can have faith without God, but I think a deity is the universal focus of faith.
I am not writing here to try and change anyones beliefs or how they feel, i currently am a christian but was an athiest before this event, i have been there i am still as open minded and have plenty of questions that are constantly answered! let me state that as i have had the same realization that God was not real, i have had a deeper realization that God was real and it was helped along by the questions that i had! our society is not based on achieving a peace, it is not based on working together, it is all about lies and dog eat dog, there is fighting within our society that even when we are close to peace, some group has to go against it and fight it, this so called “religion” being the main argument… for one religion = tradition, but christianity is a relationship, a PERSONAL relationship with God, personal being the key word it is yours to do what you want with, it hurts to see that something that can bring our socitey into peace has to be thrown out the window. The only thing i can do is pray for everyone here! God bless you!
Well, that’s why I say I’m jealous. A personal relationship with a deity must be a beautiful thing to possess. I am so governed by reason and rational thinking however that my personal relationships are only with solid things around me, and I have no spirituality.
Warm greetings of peace,
So I turn around, kiss Rob’s sleeping shoulder, and recognise that my meaning is to live this finite amount of years as best I can, to love, and to be loved.
I’m a believer myself and I articulate the purpose of my life in exactly the same way – except it’s Basil’s shoulder I kiss, not Rob’s.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts – I really enjoyed reading your perspective.
Be well!
Warmly,
Baraka
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Your post of today had me laughing…this one had me in tears. Perhaps its just where my head is at these days…but your words here, seemed almost poetry to me.
I struggle with my beliefs…sometimes I believe…other times its difficult. I am not a church goer, and not involved in organized religion. I have seen so called ” religions” hurt already wounded people…with no remorse.
I do have faith…in what, I could not exactly say. I know it sounds strange, but its just that I do get a measure of comfort from that. I always relate to you when you speak of your dad. My mother was afraid of death too…and was very unsure if she believed in anything at all. She wanted to ….but somehow she could not. I often wondered if the emotional blows she suffered throughout her life made it hard for her to do so.
Seannean…as naive as this sounds, I need to believe in something after this life. I miss my mom so very much….and must have the sense that we will see each other again. Those thoughts have kept me going in the 10 years since her death. Thoughts of her still take my breath away….and the pain becomes as it was that day. I am in no way morbid. I live my life the best I can, and the best that bipolar will afford me….but some things just dont change for me.
Thank you my dear, for this lovely thought provoking post.
Bravo, Seaneen! A powerful, thought-provoking, honest post. Excellent work.
If some one with metal illness told me that there belief in God was so important to them, so that they were able to function… I would never challenge it. even if they were a fundementalist.
Its not part of my management, or life. But as the Buddha is quoted:
“what ever floats your boat”
cool!
“…..where I believed that Satan lived in my bedroom”
I once held firmly to the belief that the gateway to hell was lurking in my airing cupboard! Apparently it was hiding between the ironing board and the slightly damp tea towels. Fortunately i’ve never much been into ironing so provided there was a chair wedging the door shut i was ok. wouldn’t go into the bedroom alone though!!!
“I am a Christian… I can’t make sense of the God of the Old Testament… I can little make sense of the Jesus of the New Testament”
Am I the only one how sees a problem here? How can a person believe in a God whom they cannot trust? Can you trust someone and not trust their word? Can you trust God and not trust His word?
I’m also an atheist and bipolar (II).
Did you also find that in the bin you were massively outnumbered
by religious types? I kept my head down a lot, because it wasn’t
my responsibility to fuck up other people’s coping strategies.
“faith and religion are not the same thing” – these are words I’ve written over and over again in the past. I completely agree. I’m a Christian now, and the trust I have in God makes all the difference to me. I know the personal, bipolar induced ‘religious’ ecstasies you speak of, and I’ve even thought I WAS God before. That’s why I don’t rely on the happy emotions and rely on a faith based in knowledge. Experience can be helpful but also completely inadequate when it comes to spirituality and in general life. That’s why I don’t cling to things I experience, just what I know. As in, one day I had no faith, the next I did. That doesn’t just happen, at least not sustainably with someone like me. Maybe some people think it’s just a coping strategy, and I don’t blame them, because you have to believe in something to at least be able to give it a chance to work. My faith has sustained me – God has sustained me. You make great points in this post though. Being manic depressive permeates into every facet of our lives. It’s hard for people outside the storm to understand why things are really complicated in here… For me, at least.