I’m very critical of self diagnosis.
As I wrote then, I’m not immune. I subscribed to a mental health website to play about with their diagnostic questionaires. It did correctly diagnose me with bipolar I disorder, but also with a whole host of other disorders that I definitely don’t have.
When I’m depressed, I think that every ache or pain I have is due to terminal cancer. I look up the symptoms and clasp my hand to my mouth. Of course, I don’t have cancer but the internet tells me I do. Ovarian cancer, if you’re curious.
I love the internet. I spend a lot of time online reading up on things I’ve become interested in. This tends to vary often. The internet hasn’t completely replaced books for me. I still buy about three books every time I pass a charity shop. And nothing is like sinking into your bed with a book and a cigarette. However, the internet is a valuable resource. I know the life stories of my favourite authors because of the internet. Not everybody has a black and white sleeved biography nestling amongst snug little How To manuals in the bookshop.
I’ve found out more about bipolar disorder from the internet than I did from doctors. So it’s easy to see why people trust the internet.
What I don’t like about the internet is that there’s a dreadful illness for every paranoid symptom. It reduces complex mental illnesses to a multiple question ticky box fest.
I have come across a lot of “self diagnosed” people with mental illness. Sometimes they’re right, sometimes they are very clearly wrong. My rule of thumb is that if you or someone close to you suspects that you have a mental illness, get thee to the doctors. Discuss your concerns. Don’t paste the little Personality Test box under your forum signature as some sort of badge of honour. It may seem harsh of me to say so, but it irritates me. Wear that badge in the real world and you’re not going to get the same reaction.
These tests can be useful if you suspect a problem, but they mean nothing unless you do something about it.
How accurate are these tests? It’s variable. Some of these little, “Are you…(insert mental illness)” quizzes are meant to be for fun (don’t ask me how having a mental illness is for fun). Some are more credible than others, such as the Psych Central screening tests. The problem is that these tests always come back with something.
So, I’m going to do a few of these tests and see how accurate they really are. I’ll do a few for bipolar, a few for schizophrenia, a few personality disorder tests and a few anxiety/OCD tests. I am not going to do any for clinical depression because periodically, I do get depressed and it’s worthless of me to test it right now. I’ll say right now that the bipolar tests are likely to come back correct since I do have rather extreme symptoms in episodes of illness.
What I Do Have:
Bipolar I disorder, rapid cycling: This is pretty much certain now. I’ve been diagnosed with this by four different doctors and I have never been misdiagnosed as suffering from clinical depression.
Body Dysmorphic Disorder: Although I was diagnosed with this years ago, I’m not sure it still stands. A lot of help from friends, Rob and the old psychotherapist mean that I am pretty much living with this one okay, but I am still going into therapy for it (and bipolar disorder) in the future. The biggest problems that I have with it now is attacks of social anxiety, which means I don’t go out much and when I do, I drink quite a lot to cope with it because I’m so nervous.
Anxiety/panic problems: However, this is mostly consistent with my moods, and I don’t really suffer badly from anxiety or panic when not in an episode of mania, depression or the whole shebang. I consider my anxiety and panic to be part of my bipolar disorder, and not a separate illness.
What I definitely don’t have: I don’t have any personality disorders, I don’t have any OCD-type problems (excluding constant skin picking, mirror avoidance, make-up and social anxiety associated with BDD), I don’t have schizophrenia, clinical depression (not right now, anyway), anxiety or panic disorders (debatable, though), ADD, ADHD (however, the manic side of bipolar disorder can look a bit like it) and the like.
Jury’s out on: Borderline traits. This isn’t a diagnosis of borderline personality disorder, it’s reference to self-harm and suchlike. One psychotherapist diagnosed me with this, but I have noticed since that it’s no longer on my CPA or discussed, so I think the other doctor I saw might not have agreed. I personally don’t agree with it, either.
First up:
The “Are you bipolar?” tests. These apparently tell you if you’re on the “spectrum”, which ranges from mild to severe. This first one is the Psych Central test. Unlike most other bipolar tests, it considers the depressive end of the spectrum. It also wrongly states that bipolar II is “mild” bipolar disorder. It’s not, it’s just milder mania.
My score on this test was 60, which, according to the site indicates:
Based upon your responses to this bipolar screening quiz, you appear to be suffering from severe symptoms associated with a bipolar disorder. People who have answered similarly to you typically qualify for a diagnosis of Bipolar I Disorder and have sought professional treatment for this disorder.
True dat, but I feel the test left out some crucial questions.
1. The test did not ask for how severely these symptoms impact on your life. This is basically the yardstick for diagnosis. If the symptoms don’t really affect your life (for example, everybody has mood swings but not everybody has manic depression) it’s unlikely that you have a disorder.
2. There was no mention of psychosis.
However, the Psych Central test is a little bit more credible than the rest.
Next:
Healthy Place bipolar screening test.
It’s a ticky box affair. It gives no result, just:
If you checked several boxes in these lists, call your doctor. Take the lists to show your doctor. You may need to get a checkup and find out if you have bipolar disorder.
This isn’t at all helpful. Firstly, what’s “several”? I could have ticked two from mania, two from depression and that would qualify as several. Having some manic and depressive symptoms, for example:
I have lots of energy.
I feel really mad.
and
I don’t feel like talking to people.
I don’t sleep well at night and am very restless.
is swings and roundabouts. It’s not very astute at detecting depression or mania.
Anyway, no more bipolar tests. We all know I have manic depression, it’s not going to prove much.
Onto a test for schizophrenia.
Here’s another test from Psych Central.
This scored me at 3, which means it’s unlikely that I have schizophrenia. So, that is true.
Glaring problems with the test:
1. Does not go into the “negative” symptoms of schizophrenia, only into the psychotic symptoms. Some types of schizophrenia do not predominately feature psychosis.
2. Schizophrenia, like bipolar disorder, can be episodic. Instead of “I have”, it should be “At some point I have”.
Here is one of these useless “fun” tests from Quizilla.
Terrible spelling and grammar left as is.
Hebephrenics are usually disorganized, have child-ish behavior are silly and have entirley innapropriate behavior. Delusions and hallucination occur but they are not major features of the illness.
Hebephrenics can experiance more bizarre hallucinations then others, though it is not common for it to happen. Hebephrenics may act like a small child, peeking behind corners and such.
That’s “for fun” but some people take these seriously.
Personality disorder tests
These are a lot more crap than the schizophrenia and bipolar tests. You’re almost guaranteed to get a disorder. Let’s see what I have:
Here is a “credible” test from the Department of Psychiatry. Will it come back with nuffin?
Nope, I actually got Avoidant Personality Disorder because of:
Envy
Avoidance
Social inferiority feelings
Hmmmmmmmm.
And here’s the famous personality test thing I see on people’s signatures all the time.
I got this:
Disorder | Rating
Paranoid: Moderate
Schizoid: Low
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Moderate
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: Low
Avoidant: Moderate
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: Low
Which isn’t as bad as I was expecting. It’s the questions I have the problem with. Some of these things are just, y’know, life. Sometimes people do feel socially inferior, sometimes people do get depressed. It depends on how they affect your relationships and your life.
I feel that these kind of tests don’t work well on people who have pre-existing mental health problems. For example, being paranoid is part of manic depression (at least, the psychotic, or extreme, part). As is being depressed. And “dressing eccentrically”, well, for me, that’s pure poverty!
ADD/ADHD tests
It is highly likely that you are presently suffering from adult attention deficit disorder, according to your responses on this self-report questionnaire. You should not take this as a diagnosis of any sort, or a recommendation for treatment. However, it would be advisable and likely beneficial for you to seek further diagnosis from a trained mental health professional immediately.
Look, it even has a little graphic to proudly display on your website!
Woo! I can’t wait to show my friends.
I don’t have ADHD, by the way. I do have constant manic depression related thought-problems that mean I have racing thoughts often and find it difficult to concentrate.
These tests are only a rough guide. They can be useful but the internet can’t replace trained professionals. They will almost always come up with something. They’re fairly tokenistic, too, as you can see by the nice little graphics you’re given to show your mum. Without meaning to insult anybody’s intelligence here: Don’t take them seriously.
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i completely agree with you on this – i think the internet can be a remarkable tool for patients to keep themselves informed, but i tend to see it as a complement to treatment, for instance if you get diagnosed bipolar and don’t know much about it you can look it up and see what fits. it might come up with symptoms that you have but that your doctor didn’t mention.
my last psychiatrist used to call me “the expert patient” – in a positive way. he felt that i did enough research that i could help him in his treatment of me. partly through being on medications but also through reading about others’ experiences, i know about how my meds affect me, i know how the dosages work, i know how they can be altered to nip new episodes in the bud. he thought it was great that i researched things, and always, always asked me what i thought before going ahead with any treatment (ie i’d say i was feeling like my mood was going up and irritable, he’d ask what i’d do – usually it was something minor like a slight increase in anti psychotic but he always involved me which was great).
also, it can be a useful thing for getting people to the doctor – ie if you score high on one of these tests, you might actually do something about it.
but like you say the danger comes in because this isn’t and can never be a personal diagnosis, these tests can’t factor in other things like comoribidity, history and so on.
i’ve spent a lot of time over the years doing these tests, usually as a kind of “let’s see what i have today!” thing, but sometimes, during my less stable times, as a genuine attempt to find answers. according to these things i have a lot more wrong with me than i actually do.
i have had official diagnoses of bipolar and ADHD, with queried schizoaffective disorder. my therapist thinks i’ve almost certainly got OCD. my ex psychiatrist believed i had “disordered elements” to my personality but stopped short of diagnosing a full PD. my therapist has done this too – although they both recognised that i have some schizoid and OCPD traits. tbh that’s quite enough for one person to be getting on with without adding to it via some impersonal, generic “diagnosis” that’s lacking in information.
True. From taking the tests you posted here, I have so many illnesses I don’t know what to do with them. I’m a basket case!!!
Except it’s just misguided information.
There are illnessess, there are pysiological or mental variations. The line can be blurry sometimes, especially if more people keep taking tests all over the internet and displaying them as serious diagnosis. Then we’re all bipolar, and we’re all ADHD. What happens to the people who are truly bipolar or ADHD? Would you take them seriously? It’s probably just another kid who wants an interesting tag after all. If your friend who never really believed you having a real illness, takes these quizes and finds out he gets the same “illness”, he’ll probably think that just like he has nothing going on, you don’t either.
Lets not even get around the subject of people going into the drs office with a printed internet page demanding you to put them in X or Y medication.
I don’t believe the internet is evil as… get rid of all health information! Since this can be extremely valuable if used the right way. Like dynamite.
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(maybe I’m cynical and unfair, but) I think things like 4degreez.com and the like are the product of a joint-honours computer science/psychology degrees – students with time on their hands who wanted to demonstrate they actually had the technical ability to make the system to handle questionnaires, send emails and generate click-through advertising revenue, and that the public would use it — rather than being foremost a serious attempt to say anything accurate or meaningful about mental health or any other topic.
I’d approach those tests as having about as much predictive authority as an eight-ball, and frankly the eight-ball is more fun to play with.
.. but then I just had a summer project perl script tell me I am a paranoid delusional schizotypal personality with dependent obsessive-compulsive tendencies, (etc. etc.) so what would I know about it? lol.
I just took a few of the tests and apparantly I have Bi Polar II and also ADHD which I could believe I have some symptons but not all as I do tend to go into rants about very little and get wound up by things I should let go. Although saying that it probably isnt those at all its something else I expect. I never stop I hate being alone and doing nothing. Maybe I should go speak to someone.
Unfortunately the internet has told me twice that I have skin cancer. Thankfully doctors have told me that I don’t. However, I still worry – what if the doctors are wrong?
I have taken personality disorder tests in the past and it turns out I have dozens of disorders and it’s all very serious. Somehow I manage to struggle on.
To be fair, if those tests scare you into going to the doctor (for cancer, serious diseases ect) – GOOD (assuming you actually have the described symptoms, and aren’t ticking only half the boxes). Why do I say that? Yes, doctors get pissed at people who visit weekly thinking they have cancer, or are totally convinced they have something before testing, but appreciate it when someone comes with symptoms of something that they may have otherwise ignored without googling.
Sometimes people do google symptoms, find conditions, visit their doctors and end up with that diagnosis. And when that’s for something like cancer, then brilliant, the earlier the diagnosis the better.
As for people self-diagnosing mental illness – well, it’s a step-on from people not wanting to be associated with mental illness at all, and believing all MI people live in psych units.
As for your “borderline traits” I find that laughable. If you have the ‘traits’ of something by just exhibiting one of the symptoms on the DSM-IV, then everyone who has significant weight loss has “anorexic traits” every insomniac has “depressive traits” every speed-talker has “biopolar traots” and every cynic with extreme negativism has “catatonic schizophrenic traits.”
So I have no idea why the psychotherapist said this to you. To me, it echoes what you’ve been talking about; people self-diagnose when they’ve got an incomplete set of symptoms, then again, the opinion that if someone self harms (and is female) they are borderline, period.
at the end of every session with the early-intervention-in-psychosis guy and the child psychiatrist i’m seeing (i’m 14) to try to figure out what teh ‘problem’ is (hallucinations/freaky mood swings/lying/really bad paranoia and so on and so forth), i get asked if i have any ideas about what the problem might be. think i have some borderline traits (splitting etc.) but also seems like hypomania and depression, as in suicidal depression, which the doctors know about.
but all i know about bipolar II is off the internet. if i get asked again tomorrow what i think the problem might be, do i say? because i really don’t want to look like one of those eejit ’sure, i’m mental, me’ kinds, and i don’t want to make myself look like some hypochondriac/munchausen’s by telling my psychiatrist i’ve just been self-diagonsed with a mental illness.
should i say what i think, or just wait to hear what they reckon? tomorrow i’m meant to be finishing an adolescent mental health questionnaire, i think.
ps. i think i said before, but i really love your blog, seaneen, thank you very much for writing so well!
How long do the hallucinations last? If they’re brief, then it may be borderline indeed. Hallucinations are not present in bipolar II. Psychosis tends to last a while in Bipolar I.
Cannot diagnose or give medical advice, I’m not a doctor!
Well apparently, I have Moderate to severe Bipolar symptoms. I’m pretty sure my doctor would have picked up on it if I did. Ho-hum.
It seems like anyone with personality has a personality disorder.
apparently I also have Bipolar disorder
- Moderate to severe symptoms, I am not Schizophrenic, I have Borderline Personality and Avoidant Personality traits
Disorder | Rating
Paranoid: Low
Schizoid: Low
Schizotypal: High
Antisocial: Moderate
Borderline: Moderate
Histrionic: High
Narcissistic: Moderate
Avoidant: High
Dependent: Moderate
Obsessive-Compulsive: Moderate
aaaaaaand apparently I should seek help IMMEDIATELY for my adult ADD diagnosis
is it any wonder the entire world is in constant fear with websites waiting to tell you there is something wrong with you at every turn…I have enough problems without adding imaginary ones to the pile!
I like the “get to the doctors”… sometimes you do and sometimes they don’t give a shit even when you finally open up and admit your fucked up they still dismiss it.
I’d rather choose to be 100% well than have anything wrong, I’d rather be able to go back to work and earn my money but I can’t hold down a job right now not when I am going through the motions I am going through now.
I took the Healthy Place Bipolar Screening Test – There was just 4 boxes I didn’t tick…
Bipolar Screening Test
Look for signs of bipolar disorder
Read the following lists.
Put a check mark by each sign that sounds like you now or in the past:
Signs of mania (ups)
I feel like I’m on top of the world.
I feel powerful. I can do anything I want, nothing can stop me.
I have lots of energy.
I don’t seem to need much sleep.
I feel restless all the time.
I feel really mad.
I have a lot of sexual energy.
I can’t focus on anything for very long.
I’m spending lots of money on things I don’t need and can’t afford.
Signs of depression (downs)
I am really sad most of the time.
I don’t enjoy doing the things I’ve always enjoyed doing.
I don’t sleep well at night and am very restless.
I am always tired. I find it hard to get out of bed.
I don’t feel like eating much.
I feel like eating all the time.
I have lots of aches and pains that don’t go away.
I have little to no sexual energy.
I find it hard to focus and am very forgetful.
I am mad at everybody and everything.
I feel upset and fearful, but can’t figure out why.
I feel like there isn’t much point to living, nothing good is going to happen to me.
I don’t like myself very much. I feel bad most of the time.
I think about death a lot. I even think about how I might kill myself.
Other signs of bipolar disorder
I go back and forth between feeling really “up” and feeling really “down.”
My ups and downs cause problems at work and at home.
I had never heard of Bipolar Disorder up until about three years ago now. I was using a depression forum, a small one with only a few people but it was nice I got to know them all well and most I am still in contact me. The owner of the board was diagnosed by her PDOC with Bipolar II / Rapid Cycling. I felt I have to find out more in order to offer her support.
I read up on it and I backed away, it was like reading about myself and it freaked me out, I told myself under no certain terms was that what I had. I was perfectly normal and didn’t want to be labelled. However at the back of my head things started to add up and the more I thought on it the more I realised this was me and I couldn’t deny the fact I’d been like this all my life and no matter what I tried I couldn’t change it.
Another or so passed in the array of mood swings and I publicly broke down I needed help, that was 12 months ago and for the first time my CPN and the crisis team mention Bipolar. It was dismissed by the PDOC and I was labelled with “Recurrent Depression” he was concerned about what I read on the internet and I got the distinct impression he didn’t believe me in the slightest. He didn’t attempt to talk to my family about my behaviour my mother just calls me Jekyll & Hyde because it suits me. He didn’t take into account the possible links of Bipolar in the family neither which only came to light for me last year after talking with my mother.
By the time I stopped seeing them last October I had once again come through the period of depression and was doing well, low and behold I am back in there again and fighting the demons alone far to scared to call my CPN, too worried to even venture back to see my GP and too pissed off to ask for a referral back to the hospital. They didn’t care so why should I.
I think how you have blogged about what you are or have gone through is amazing. I have found such a strong sense of help from stuff you have wrote to know that your not alone.
For me it’s just a matter of time because at 30 I cannot and don’t want to carry on like this anymore.
Take it to your doctor. Hmmm. And just what will they do? Probably think you are yet another self-diagnosed internet junkie.
Gotta love these tests.
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I’ve just done some of these and they’ve come out pretty much as I expected (although maybe “as I expected” is not a very good guide) but I agree that there is a danger in having these tests because although they state they are not a diagnostic tool, that’s exactly why many people complete them.
I took the infamous personality test, and apparently I have both histrionic and avoidant (and paranoid, and schitzotypal, and borderline, and dependant) personality disorders.
Interesting. ._.
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