Cyclothymia is one part of the bipolar spectrum that I don’t understand. Everyone that I have encountered with it is someone I would say had suffered a major depressive episode, which would change their diagnosis to Bipolar II. However, the medical establishment has a different definition of major depression than I do. Again, whereas people think it’s easy to be diagnosed with a mental illness, it is actually extremely difficult. Major depression, or severe clinical depression, is diagnosed far less frequently than mild or moderate depression. Major depression is the kind of crippling, in bed, want to sleep, can barely function depression. It’s a depression that I would have been diagnosed with only a few times in my life. My depressions nearly always involve an element of mania, so my most frequent episodes are mixed ones. Most of the time, when I am “normal”, I have mild or moderate depression or mild to moderate hypomania.
I have wondered if I ever did have cyclothymia, as 30% of cyclothymic types go on to develop bipolar I or II. Thinking back, I don’t think I have. My first big episodes were major depression followed by severe mania. Before rapid-cycling kicked in, I was almost a cartoon character of a manic depressive. And so it began.
Cyclothymia is defined as “bipolar-lite”; a constant flux of mood that pursues a chronic course. The moods range from mild depression (dysthymia) to mild elation (hypomania). Symptoms persist, and the longest the person is symptom free is no more than two months. This form of bipolar disorder is the classic “moody” type, with mood swings occuring naturally much faster than those in Bipolar I and II (ultra and ultradian cycling excepted). Cyclothymia is also a bit of a measuring pole with which someone who doesn’t have bipolar disorder can see how severe an illness it is. Cyclothymia is bipolar’s baby sibling, and yet it’s a treacherous enough illness even without the bipolar association.
This is the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria:
1. Individual has had many periods of both hypomania and depression, for a period of at least 2 years.
2. Individual has experienced no periods of normal mood lasting longer than two months.
3. Individual has experienced no major depression, manic or mixed episode
4. Symptoms are not attributable to either Schizophrenia or Psychotic Disorder
5. Symptoms are not due to effects of medication, illicit drugs or medical condition.
6. Individual experiences significant distress or impairment in daily living.
It has always confused me. Stephen Fry is apparently cyclothymic, but someone who locks themselves in a garage with the intention to gas themselves to death doesn’t strike me as someone who has “mild” depression. So what is it actually like to have cyclothymia?
McMan, as usual, is helpful:
Diane would soon learn that this was just a taste of things to come. Twice in the next months Mark lost excellent jobs, once because he was unable to get out of bed for several days and failed to call in and once because he decided he knew better than his boss. When he was depressed he was disinterested in working and gave no thought to finances. Diane worried about the bills and he would be angry if she tried to talk to him. Then before she knew it he was on top of the world. At such times he was wonderful with her, but Diane felt she was a ship at sea without an anchor. She never knew what to expect.
Neither did Mark. He was as much at mercy to his moods as Diane was. Yet, he couldn’t truly understand why she was so upset. Mark didn’t see anything aberrant about his moodswings – he had had them for years and thought it was normal for people to go through them.
Things came to a head one night when Mark arrived home, escorted by two police officers and charged with DUI. Diane gave him an ultimatum. Either they seek help or she was leaving him.
The bolded part of the passage is something I suspect a lot of people think about their moodswings; I certainly did. I thought that what I went through was normal and that there was no need to worry. And although cyclothymia is allegedly mild, I don’t see anything that is “lite” about it. Given that most people with bipolar disorder do have periods of normality in between episodes, cyclothymia seems rather cruel.
There is almost a saving grace of the big, bad bipolar I and bipolar II. There is usually a time when the episodes are extreme. And extreme episodes are almost easier to understand as madness. Those around you will know that you have misplaced your marbles. Mild episodes, however, might feel to those around them as annoyances rather than something to worry about.
Treatment for cyclothymia is psychotherapy and/or a low dose mood stabiliser. Unlike the other forms of bipolar, those with cyclothymia don’t have to take medication and can opt for therapy instead, rather than as adjacent to. I am not sure how wise this is. If one has a genetic or biological cause, then why not the other?
Something I haven’t discussed here before is family history. Bipolar disorder is supposed to have a genetic link. If one sibling is affected, for example, there is a higher than average chance that another will be. More often than not, there is a family history of disorders such as depression, psychosis, schizophrenia, eating disorders and substance abuse disorders. All but one of these things are present in my immediate family so it isn’t that much of a big whoop that I am manic depressive. The rest of my family have problems with depression especially; my mother also has/had problems with psychosis, rage and a rather amazing capacity to lie at every opportunity, about every single thing.
Speaking of baby siblings…
The genetic element is one of a million reasons why I will probably not have children. I am afraid of passing this on to someone else. There are other reasons, as I said. My body doesn’t work properly anyway, I don’t have periods. I take Depakote (sodium valproate) which damages the unborn child. Depakote is the only thing I have taken so far that has even dented my mania so, with having to come off it during pregnancy, I would likely become psychotic. (Many manic depressive women do become psychotic during pregnancy. It is rare in those without manic depression, who will more likely experience deperssion). Seeing the pregnant woman in hospital just put the fear of god into me.
I am very afraid of psychosis. Yes, I have had positive experiences with it. Believing I was a genius, for example and having voices telling me so. And sometimes having bright hallucinations of light and beauty, hearing wonderful music and being inbued with a magical self belief. But those days are long gone, and most of my voices are threatening and frightening, most of my delusions are paranoid and most of my hallucinations are of things that mean to hurt me.
There’s also practical aspects. I’m terrified of having to explain my scars to a child. I am notoriously bad at holding down jobs. And, oh, I don’t have a boyfriend.
I do want children but my common sense tells me it’s a bad idea. Adoption, naturally, is out of the question. There are a million better mothers out there without severe mental illness, I wouldn’t stand a chance. Children are taken away from people like me, not given to them.
It was with immense sadness that all this dawned on me. I knew from when I was fifteen (and my periods stopped for four years) that my body was not up to the task of pregnancy. However, it didn’t even occur to me that I may not also be mentally up to the challenge. Now with an official diagnosis of severe mental illness, those words define who I am in the eyes of authority; bosses, doctors, adoption agencies, social services; and I can’t ever escape from it. The violent streak in my mania is no great help either. (Being manic I have trashed stuff, set things on fire, gotten into physical fights and hurled abuse at people). I have been warned many times by psychiatrists about the dangers of pregnancy, and I am not allowed to take my medication while trying to have a child.
If I did have a child and it developed cyclothymia, I wouldn’t feel as though they had some lucky escape from bipolar. I know too well how these things escalate; I would just have to try my best to make sure it didn’t happen.
I’ve always wondered what I would be like as a mum. I would love the child. Boy, girl, it wouldn’t matter. I thought I’d be quite a hippyish mother, since I am secretely rather hippyish. I’d teach it to read before it started school and take them for walks in the parks enclaved in the suburban London streets. I would take it home to meet its grandmother. It might have my large blue eyes and my dark blonde hair.
I would teach them about animals. We would have a dog and the dog would love the baby and stay near it all the time. Religion would not come into it. That is something they can find for themselves when they are older, should they ever want to.
But those are ideals; what if I fell into a depression, who would love my baby then? And what if mania struck and I was violent, aggressive or psychotic, and believed the child to be special, worshipped and gifted? So often, it is without warning and now it’s only my life I am ruining. Those light boxes in a baby’s room that spin with shapes of witches and cats are for the child and yet I know if I wasn’t well I would be afraid of them.
That’s only now, though, I’m 21 and y’know, maybe in the future…
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I’m 20, newly diagnosed, and thinking about similar issues. I’m bipolar II, so psychosis is not something that’s happened to me as of yet, though my “hypo”manias are rapidly becoming worse, so this diagnosis might not hold. I discussed it with my psychiatrist, and he said that there’s still plenty of time to think about this, because I’ve got 10 years before I’d consider having a child, even without this. I’d say there’s still plenty of time for you too. Who knows? In 10 years, you might be on a better, safer for pregnancy med combo. You might be more stable and able to skip the meds during pregnancy. You might have things a little more figured out in general. In my opinion, “normal” or no, no one our age is ready for a child. So, I guess what I’m saying is, I wouldn’t rule it out just yet.
Well, you speak the truth. I can’t doubt you. All i can say, and it will never be enough, is that the future holds more promise than today will ever hold. Don’t lose hope, and maybe you can one day dive into the rainbow vein. All my love.
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I Just wanted to let you know that I have BP1 and have had two psychotic episodes over 10 years. I am 30 and have just had my first child. I was really anxious about the things you describe (though I dont self harm), I went off meds during pregnancy then straight onto a low dose antipsychotic after birth to avoid PND or PNP. It worked!!! If my baby is ever diagnosed with BP or any other illness, my hope is that he is diagnosed early and that I can raise him with some resilience and at least some of the skills he needs to manage symptoms and the ability to know when he needs to get help (a challenge I know when you loose insight with BP
This may feel like an impossiblity for you right now, but I just wanted to give you some hope that with the right support and medication its possible. Of course you may decide that for you its not the right decision to carry your own children, that is a really courageous decision too! Hopefully thought it doesnt mean that you will never have a time in your life when you can take children to the park and teach them to read! Especially if that desire is so strong!!!
Take care, and good luck with your new job!
I am also happy that we waited to have children as I think life would have been more challenging fo me in my twenties when I was just coming to grips with my MI problems.
Whoops the last sentence is in the wrong place
Take care!
I think both my meds are potentially harmful to the unborn baby, but I am still absolutely determined to have children. Obviously in would all have to be planned meticulously; I would have to start slowly withdrawing from my meds before I even thought about coming off the pill.
It’s sad to say, but I’m terrified of what life would be like without meds. Apparently the natural hormones during pregnancy can help you but equally you may have a terrible experience. I read on MIND that ECT can be used in pregnancy, but the danger with that is that it involves giving general anasthetic.
I also worry about what the stress of giving birth and looking after a new born babywould do to me. You also have to stay off meds if you want to breast feed. I wonder how I’d cope with the sleepless nights and the constant worry that comes with having children. I also worry about post natal depression. I’ve always suffered mainly from the depressive side of BD, and remembering the months and months I suffered before I got help is like remembering a nightmare. It terrifies me to imagine living that way with a newborn completely dependent on me.
I have thought about adoption, but I know how difficult the process can be, and I’m sure being mentally ill would stand in my way.
Having a child who end up bipolar is my worst fear. I can’t imagine how awful it must be seeing someone you love suffering that way, and to know that it’s your fault. There have been vague rumblings of mental illness in my family history, but no specific mention BD. Whether that affects the likelyhood of me ‘passing it on’ I don’t know.
Saying all that, as I said I am still determined to have children. Although at the moment that still seems far away, which is probably why I do feel so terrified by the whole prospect.
Depakote was approved for bipolar disorder in 1995. New medications are appearing yearly. I’m sure given another 10 years there may be something on the market that doesn’t cause birth defects and is suitable for pregnant bipolar mothers.
21 is WAY young to have a kid. I’m not saying theres anything wrong with having kids early, but there is PLENTY of time.
Lots of people have problems with having children (infertility and so on) so you’re not alone on this.
i’m “lucky” in that i’ve never wanted kids so i don’t get that dilemma. but i have tried coming off my meds in the past (because i hated taking them) and it was a total disaster (landed in hospital within about 3 weeks) so it is probably just as well.
as for cyclothymia – i am told i had that inbetween episodes in the past. at least that was postulated by a doctor. although now i’m flat as a pancake in mood terms so it seems a bit hard to believe. but looking back i can’t see a time when i was actually this flat before, unless i look right back to when i was about 9.
as for the genetic thing, i am told there were 3 aunts in the past who were all “odd” (i come from a posh family and these aunts were at least 2 generations back so it wasn’t done to talk about them, but mum has let me in on the secret) – two were what was called then insane and what would now probably be called depressed and schizophrenic respectively. the third killed herself but no one ever really knew why.
my dad’s sister is a bit of a frootloop too (excuse the term) – she is prone to extreme moods and erratic behaviour. all along she’s been “weird” “difficult” etc but i suspect she may have a mood/personality type disorder – i never see her these days because she’s been disowned (some of the things she did were pretty vile, even allowing for possible illness). i feel a bit mean saying that but all the things she has as issues now it could be said easily that she brought them on herself.
as for the genetic thing mkII – my psych at st george’s tooting has done some research into the genetic nature of these illnesses. he told me that their research had indicated that there is a genetic sequence/series that gives the owner a pre-disposition to an illness. he said that they think that the combination of genes at one end of this series predisposes the owner to bipolar disorder and the combination at other end predisposes them to schizophrenia. he said that there are stages in the middle, with the absolute middle combination predisposing to schizoaffective disorder (which is essentially a mixture of those two illnesses).
of course, the predisposition to something doesn’t make it fact – it just means that if you have these genes you are capable of developing/contracting these illnesses. environmental factors and brain chemistry and so on influence whether you actually get it.
i don’t know how accurate this research is but it kind of makes sense, i think.
plenty of time to think about children yet, don’t rule it out for yourself just yet.
Ooh, at last! Someone in the UK. I’ve found so many people (who are lovely, it must be confessed) writing about bipolar who are places where the idiosyncratic nature of the NHS is not easily comprehended.
Anyway, hello
I should add, as well, that I got the diagnosis after the baby. He’s 15 now, and has Aspergers’ Syndrome. My worries that he will end up with a concurrent mood disorder (which at times I think I see clear signs of – and oh yes, forgot to say I’m a mental health nurse, too) are very real and difficult to assuage. But don’t rule anything out as far as your future options go.
I have a daughter and I worry about the same things you mentioned. I had her before I started experiencing the depressions, but now I am not sure if I want to have another one. What if I passed on my misery to my child? And for my daughter, what in the world have I already passed on to her??
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The way that cyclothymia has been described also confuse me, but mainly for the opposite reason as you. I AM bipolar “lite” and because my mood swings haven’t been nearly as extreme as even those described as cyclothymic, it has taken me a long time to get diagnosed. For me, my depressions come about every 2 or 3 weeks and stay about 4 or 5 weeks. And then I am hypomanic for about a week and a half. The depressions get bad in the sense of utterly dragging through life and having a very hard time getting out of bed, but, for example, I’ve never been fired from a job or have ever been suicidal. Its more like I will draaaaaaaggggggg myself out of bed, leave my hair completely unbrushed and unwashed, put on dirty clothes and draaaaagggggg myself to my responsibilities, face still caked in sleep eyes. I’ve created a lifestyle for myself (academic) where looking like a mess half the time isn’t going to ruin my career or get me in trouble. My ups are up, but not THAT up. I’ve written incredibly sharp papers in just days’ time, or have believed myself to be way more brilliant than I am, or have felt so together – and really looked quite totally together. And I get the racing thoughts and the difficulty sleeping, etc. But I’ve never totally lost touch with reality or had a shopping spree or gotten myself in trouble. So, what is it like? Its like you are just a step out of normal, are not sure why you are so “almost” together and then totally lose it again, why you are so “almost” doing well, like everyone else, and then suddenly feel alien to life, lazy, and wretched. I COULD live my life like this forever, unmedicated, and technically be successful. But its beyond exhausting and as the responsibilities of adulthood pile on and on, it gets harder and harder to manage the mood swings and actually get anywhere sustainable.